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Arnold Schwarzenegger Supports Gay Marriage Ruling

Mon, 05/19/2008 - 5:00am by LibertySugar
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Now that the California Supreme Court overturned the state's ban on same-sex marriage, the real question is whether the ruling will stick. California's Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has twice vetoed same-sex marriage legislation, has decided he will be one less person standing in the way of gay couples joyously planning their nuptials.

Arnold said he supports the ruling, which overturned an unconstitutional voter-approved ban, despite his personal view that "marriage is between a man and a woman." He told the SF Chronicle:

When the people vote, people are not legal experts, constitutional experts or any of that. I think that's why we have the courts. People may vote with good intentions, but then the court says, "This is not constitutional. It's not that the court interferes with the will of the people. But the court says, "You voted for something, but it's not constitutionally right, so let's rework this.'"

But the governator's support doesn't stop the battle. To see what's next, read more.

This November, voters most likely will face a ballot initiative that amends California's constitution to include an opposite-sex only definition of marriage. If it passes, same-sex marriage will be unconstitutional.

Why is Arnold accepting the court's ruling, when he has stood in the way of a legislative path to same-sex marriage? Perhaps he has determined that this is the will of Californians. Or perhaps he respects the court's legal reasoning, and its role of addressing constitutional issues and minority rights. I guess we'll all find out the will of the people this November.

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  • hausfrau's picture
    hausfrau
    1

    From the AP - "The most recent polls, conducted in 2006 and 2007, found that 51 percent and 49 percent of survey respondents opposed making gay marriage legal, while 43 percent and 45 percent endorsed the idea."

    So isn't gay marriage NOT the will of Californians?

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    2

    I really dislike what Arnold said about the ruling. It's like saying: "You people aren't smart enough to rule yourselves, so let me make all your decisions."

    Good morning Cab

    Go team red

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
    3

    I thought it was okay if politicians ignored polls and the will of the people because it's about leadership and not popularity.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    4

    Unfortunately, this isn't a politician ignoring the polls. This is the court ruling against the people.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
    5

    We could still have segregation in parts of the country if the courts always bowed to the will of the people.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    6

    "We could still have segregation in parts of the country if the courts always bowed to the will of the people."

    By ruling cases such as Brown vs. Board of Education, the supreme court completely railroaded the Constitution. They should have amended the Constitution, not ruled from the bench. By doing so that sets precedence for the courts to do as they please, and not uphold the law of the land.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • jennifer76's picture
    jennifer76
    7

    Arnold has said all along that he thought it was an issue that should be left to the courts and he's standing by that. No surprise there.

    At first, I was concerned this was a case of the court ruling against the people, but the more I've read the more comfortable I am with it. The California state constitution has specific language regarding discrimination based on sexual orientation. It also specifically states "No contract of marriage, if
    otherwise duly made, shall be invalidated by want of conformity to the requirements of any religious sect." It does seem clear that the California state constitution can be interpreted to protect same-sex marriage.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • jennifer76's picture
    jennifer76
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    In fact, when he originally vetoed the legislation (both times), he specifically said it was an issue that should be left to the courts not the congress.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    9

    Does anyone know if they are going to change the definition of Marriage? Just curious.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • hausfrau's picture
    hausfrau
    10

    Cine I know that Constitutionally this should be a state thing, but I think for ease it should be a federal desicion, what if a same sex couple gets married in one state and then their job transfers to a state that doesn't recognize it?

    I think we should either give it or not, but not give it and then take it away.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    11

    To be honest, when it comes to Same sex marriage I don't know for sure it should be a State thing Constitutionally. It might fall under federal. Either way, I agree it should be a federal ruling, but if under the Constitution it does fall under the State law, then before it goes to a federal ruling they should amend the Constitution, instead of ruling from the bench, which is dangerous. The law of the land should not be disregared.

    It would also head off a lot of future problems.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • hausfrau's picture
    hausfrau
    12

    Yea I hear ya, I agree.

    Out of all the issues we have to do deal with I feel like this is the easiest to solve and not the of the biggest concern, so I just want it to be settled already!!

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • CitizenSugar's picture
    CitizenSugar
    14

    What do you all think about getting government out of the business of "marriage" altogether? What if only churches could marry, and the government could grant partnerships to anyone who wanted to be legally bound? I'm thinking maybe two widows want to be legally responsible for each other — great! They can do that. And then churches can decide who they want to marry. That's just my "if I ran the world" thought. What do you think?

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
    15

    Why would they need to change the definition of marriage? Whose definition? Is there a definition anywhere in legal terms? Why shouldn't gay people marry? Why are straight people so weird about it? Like it will mean their marriage means less somehow? What is going on!!??

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • hausfrau's picture
    hausfrau
    16

    hmm interesting thoughts citizen, i never thought of that...

    i will ponder it while i'm sunning my buns at the beach today!

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    17

    Um...I never said I was against Gay marriage. Not once. I actually wish that if it were legal they would amend the Constitution so that in the future it cannot be over run.

    The reason I asked about the changing of the definition is because the definition of marriage is: 1 a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

    So if we change it to encapsulate same sex marriage then people who say marriage is between a man and woman, could not use that excuse anymore.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    18

    Citizen, I have thought of that before, and I think it is a great idea.

    I promise to implement it in Cine/Syako 2012!

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • jennifer76's picture
    jennifer76
    19

    Citizen - I completely agree. Especially considering that the majority of people who oppose same-sex marriage make the argument that marriage is a very traditional and even sacred institution. Why should the government be involved at all!?

    The only issue I can see with it is that it gives the psycho bridezillas yet another function to add to their month-long "wedding" jamborees.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    20

    I like the idea Citizen.

    Since the definition of marriage biblically was between one man and one woman, and it was blessed by Jesus, many (myself included) feel that calling a gay couple companionship as marriage is another attack on the religion I/we hold very dear. IMO, this country seems hell-bent on eliminating any trace of Christianity, while bending over backwards for any other religion that isn't Christianity. It's a sad state of affairs, especially since this country looked to the Bible when it created the national constitution, and many of the states did the same.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
    22

    Cine, huh? I think your redirect was in response to my comment. It had nothing to do with what you said. It was just a generalized question about this debate.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    23

    It was a direct response to you because you started your comment with: "Why would they need to change the definition of marriage?"

    Which I could only assume was in response to my comment. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • syako's picture
    syako
    24

    ah, yes, the republiatarian ticket for 2012... cine/syako!

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
    26

    Hate to be a party pooper Sy, but will you be 35 years old in time for 2012?

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • hypnoticmix's picture
    hypnoticmix
    28

    Good Morning Everyone!

    UnDave: You say "this country seems hell-bent on eliminating any trace of Christianity, while bending over backwards for any other religion that isn't Christianity."

    Well first of all that is an over the top statement and I'm hoping you know that just as much I do. I have no problem with Christianity among Christians. If you are a Christian hey knock your self out, but if I'm not than please do not impose your values on me.

    The following I posted on the day the news broke that the ban was over turned but it was late that night and the discussion had ended several hours earlier. You may or not have read my two cents on the matter. If you have than as Dion would say walk-on-by bumbum bumbum.

    I can understand that some people have been brought up with much defined values tied to religious perspective & tradition that some families have chosen to live by. If you and your's are happy with that ideology than I'm happy for you.

    To those who are apposed to the ruling where religious tradition/family values becomes a problem for me as a homosexual man is that your family's values encroach into my personal life & freedoms and has the audacity to tell me how to live my life. Last time I checked we have religious freedom here in the U.S. and by trying to impose a faith based value on anyone who does not want it is wrong and probably unconstitutional. With all do respect I'm sure you're nice people but I do not want to be part of your family therefore your family values should stay in your family.

    As for the critics that I’ve been seeing on the news since the ban was over turned. I find it interesting how many of them said that this is not a legal issue it’s a legislative issue and the courts should not have been involved. My question to them is then what were they doing in court? Why didn’t they save all that money and put their efforts into a legislative constitutional amendment right off the bat? If they truly believe that it’s not a legal issue than why waste the time and effort going down a path that they feel has no relevance? Seems to me like they’re grasping at straws. A national amendment has very little support and I and a state amendment will probably suffer the same fate.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
    29

    Yeah, same as for Pres. I only thought of that because of your high school drinking t-shirt yesterday.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • syako's picture
    syako
    30

    Gosh, steph, you're such a Debbie Downer

    Oh well, we can wait until...... 2020???

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
    31

    I think we all knew that about me already. If it helps, you made me feel positively ancient yesterday.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
    32

    And don't rush past 29, gravity does wicked wicked things to you after that!

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • syako's picture
    syako
    33

    Yeah, I'm happy where I am right now...

    Sorry I made you feel ancient.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • yesteryear's picture
    yesteryear
    34

    dave: actually, marriage wasn't created by jesus. it's been going on long before he was "born". and you don't have to be married in a church in the united states - you can go to a courthouse, or your friend can get a license online, even a ship's captain can perform the ceremony.

    i believe there are elements of our constitution that are rooted in what you would call christian values (although a majority of those values are also found in most other world religions), but the truth is a good number of the founders of this country were deists, who believed in a god-like creator who does not interfere with human life. i.e., separation of church and state, etc.

    this ruling is a huge step in equal rights for a large portion of our population. so i'm just curious, how do the rights of a bunch of people you don't even know negatively impact your every day life?

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    35

    I suppose we will have to wait because I won't be 35. Thank goodness!

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    38

    I didn't way it was created by Jesus. I said that it is blessed by Jesus.

    My problem is that it went against the will of the people. When the people are denied their voice, democracy ends.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • yesteryear's picture
    yesteryear
    39

    cine: he's saying that the definition he believes we all adhere to in the US is the biblical version, which is approved by jesus, and involves a man and a woman.

    i'm saying the institution of marriage has been around longer than that - and that in this country you don't have to be christian to be married.

    sorry if i was unclear.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    40

    Two cities in WI are in COURT as we speak because 50+ years ago someone donated a monument with the Ten Commandments, or a group donated land for a cross that overlooks the town. A new professor to the area says that violates his freedom of religion, and wants those removed....

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • popgoestheworld's picture
    popgoestheworld
    41

    Okay first of all. What if everyone in California decided that Christians couldn't practice their religion anymore? Would you seriously be okay with that because it's the "will of the people"? Come on!

    Second of all, I think if a cross is on private land then great, so be it. Just because some loonies want it removed doesn't mean that the entire COUNTRY is hell-bent on removing any traces of Christianity.

    Lastly, you are definitely insinuating that a CHRISTIAN marriage is the definition of marriage that is what should be upheld. Why, what makes that more important than the definition of OTHER marriages? Jesus doesn't bless Jews getting married so do two Jews getting married violate the definition of marriage?

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • yesteryear's picture
    yesteryear
    42

    i think the real problem people have is not that this goes against "the will of the people"... it's that this ruling goes against THEIR will. even people who don't live in california. strange.

    if this was a ruling about the rights of people to wear velcro instead of laced shoes, i doubt they would care about a split in public opinion of +/- 7 percentage points. that's just about the same size as most error margins anyway.

    33 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment