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Secret Deal to Keep US in Iraq Forever? Why Is the US There?

Thu, 06/05/2008 - 7:00am by CitizenSugar
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What do you make of this story? According to the Independent, a secret deal is being negotiated in Baghdad that would extend the US military occupation of Iraq indefinitely, regardless of the outcome of the presidential election.

It's being reported that President Bush is asking for 50 military bases, control of Iraqi airspace below 29,000 feet, legal immunity for all American soldiers and contractors, the right to pursue the "war on terror" in Iraq, and the authority to arrest anybody it wants and to launch military campaigns without consultation. That's quite a list.

Iraqi officials fear the agreement will destabilize Iraq's position in the Middle East and ensure an unending conflict in their country. Though Iraqi ministers have said they will reject any agreement limiting Iraqi sovereignty, political observers in Baghdad think they will relent and sign in the end, only protesting now to establish their credentials as defenders of Iraqi independence by a showing defiance.

Not only impact in Iraq, the secret accord threatens to provoke political tumult in the US. President Bush aims to push it through by the end of next month so he can declare a military victory and claim his 2003 invasion has been vindicated. Any long-term solution in Iraq would undercut pledges by Barack Obama, to withdraw US troops if he is elected president in November, and give a boost to McCain who's pointed to a coming victory in Iraq.

With this news of a possible long-standing presence, I'm actually curious — we've heard lots of reasons for the conflict — why do you think the US is there?

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  • UnDave35's picture
    UnDave35
    2

    I'd like to know where the independant got this story. If it truly is a secret deal, how are they getting wind of it. Sounds to me like more hate Bush rhetoric

    24 weeks 16 hours ago Report Comment
  • mondaymoos's picture
    mondaymoos
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    "President Bush is asking for 50 military bases, control of Iraqi airspace below 29,000 feet, legal immunity for all American soldiers and contractors, the right to pursue the "war on terror" in Iraq, and the authority to arrest anybody it wants and to launch military campaigns without consultation."

    This is a little much. Hopefully he purposely included everything he could think of knowing some of it would be cut out. I don't have a problem with permanant military bases in Iraq. I don't feel it's any different than the ones we have in Japan and I think it would be a good idea to have a permanant presence in the Middle East. But legal immunity?? Authority to arrest anyone it wants to?? That's just taking it too far.

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • stiletta's picture
    stiletta
    4

    After 9/11 we needed to have a presence where the terrorists lived. A strong, undeniable presence to strike at our enemies. Iraq was perfect; weak military, lot's of oil and a dictator no one would miss. If you ask me, it's a strategy that will keep us ahead of the game for a long time and anyone who says we need to pull out is missing the bigger picture!

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • sexylibrarian's picture
    sexylibrarian
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    I am not sure if you could say our presence in Iraq is strong. And I thought the terrorists were from Afganistan? Americans were lied to before the Iraqi invasion and we are still being lied to. It is very dangerous for America to think that they need to have a "strong presence" in other countries.

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • mymellowman's picture
    mymellowman
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    I'd have an easier time believing it if it were from a more credible source, say the New York Times or the Huffington Post. Smiling

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
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    I don't see a big deal about having a base there, and I don't think that if it happens it will hurt Obama.

    I am with UD, some of this seems a bit far fetched and if it is a "secret" then how the heck did they find out. The government is pretty good at keeping a secret.

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • piper23's picture
    piper23
    11

    I don't think there is any such thing as a "military victory" when it comes to fighting terrorists. This is a global battle that is going to continue long after we leave Iraq. IF we leave Iraq.

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • piper23's picture
    piper23
    12

    I get all my information from the Huffington Post. Since that is the site most linked to on Citizen I figure it has to be the most reliable, right?

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • sweetrae80's picture
    sweetrae80
    13

    um....how is this legal? i feel so bad for the innocent Iraqis that are subjected to our imperialist practices - and I feel bad for our service men and women who have to act out our government's will.

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
    16

    It's such a comment that Americans now have to go to other countries news gathering agencies to find out what's happening with their own government. Our media, by it's own admission said they lied to the American public leading up to the war, so why should we expect them to report on anything having to do with corruption in Iraq?

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • sexylibrarian's picture
    sexylibrarian
    17

    Ariana Huffington although she is smart is a liberal. I am a liberal so I agree with her most of them time. Just make sure you keep that in mind when you are reading the Post. I like to keep an open mind when I am reading about politics and gathering information. So if you are getting all of your information from there you may not be getting all sides of the story piper.

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • piper23's picture
    piper23
    18

    I'm picturing Reagan giggling and I can't quite get there in my head.

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • syako's picture
    syako
    22

    Yeah I figured. We just complain a lot that the Huff Po is the NUMBER ONE source on citizen...

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • piper23's picture
    piper23
    23

    Sorry, Carrie. I don't get my own humor most of the time.

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    25

    It is sometimes hard to understand tone in the writing. You will get to know peoples personalities. Smiling

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
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    Don't fret, Carrie, I hear they're working on a "sarcasm" emoticon so people can indicate when they're being insincere. Once you know who the liberals and the conservatives are here, you'll get a better feel when we're being snarky. But for now, stay by my furry paw and I shall guide you through the more difficult passages of Citizen Sugar ... for I am amish.


    That doesn't make sense. I fear I might be insane.

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • tiff58's picture
    tiff58
    31

    I agree with Stiletta. We do need a presence in the Middle East.

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • em1282's picture
    em1282
    33

    The Amish emoticon looks like a jazz trumpeter with a soul patch. That, or I'm blind since I got 2 hours of sleep last night and can't function today.

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • mymellowman's picture
    mymellowman
    35

    Carrie, I'd also be careful of Goldwater. He always looks like he's about ready to take a bite out of someone.

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • yesteryear's picture
    yesteryear
    36

    what happened to bush being a lame duck, or a sitting bull, or a wild turkey, or whatever the heck it is? this is a little outlandish -- but honestly, i wouldn't put it past them.

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • raciccarone's picture
    raciccarone
    39

    Oh, yeah, about the article. I know you're all dying to know how I feel about this! In some ways I do agree with Stiletta, but I think Bush and co. did such a bad job handling this war from giving our troops proper armor to end game strategies that any strategy they may have had in the beginning quickly became a complete failure. And this isn't just blind Bush bashing, I don't think you can find anyone who will say this war was run with even a modicum of intelligent planning.

    As for a base in the Middle East, well, that's a bit cold, but after 9/11, we did have to change our tactics, however we didn't have to go from a "kinder, gentler America" to an "angrier, irrationally abusive America".

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • cine_lover's picture
    cine_lover
    40

    Morning Kiki and HF! coffee drinker

    3M, it is a come hither smile. He is not ready to bite! He is saying "grrrrr" but a sexy "Grrrrrrr".

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • em1282's picture
    em1282
    44

    "He is not ready to bite! He is saying "grrrrr" but a sexy "Grrrrrrr"."

    Kind of like a "rowwwwwwwr", right? Eye-wink It's the "AuH20" that really does it for me though. What can I say, the Periodic Table always gets a science geek like me hot and bothered. Eye-wink

    24 weeks 15 hours ago Report Comment
  • stiletta's picture