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Same-sex Marriage Ban Leading in California

Wed, 11/05/2008 - 8:34am by CitizenSugar
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It's still too close call, but it looks like California voters have backed Proposition 8, which would change the state Constitution to ban same-sex marriage. California Supreme Court legalized nuptials for same-sex couples earlier this year, and more than 18,000 couples took advantage of the landmark decision.

Right now about 95 percent of the vote is counted and the measure has 52 percent of the vote, but election officials estimate there could be as many as two million ballots left to count — primarily mail ballots that arrived Tuesday. The San Francisco City Attorney's office says he plans to challenge the validity of a ballot measure.

Yesterday was a sad day for America across the board in terms of gay marriage. In Arizona, Proposition 102 which bans gay marriage, easily passed. In Florida, the gay marriage ban needed 60 percent of the vote and still passed, which also restricts rights of any cohabitating couple who are not husband and wife. Meanwhile, Arkansas passed a measure forbidding anyone other than a married man and woman from adopting a child.

Stay tuned for final results as they come in.

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  • em1282's picture
    em1282
    3

    "Yesterday was a sad day for America across the board in terms of gay marriage. In Arizona, Proposition 102 which bans gay marriage, easily passed. In Florida, the gay marriage ban needed 60 percent of the vote and still passed, which also restricts rights of any cohabitating couple who are not husband and wife. Meanwhile, Arkansas passed a measure forbidding anyone other than a married man and woman from adopting a child."

    What's *really* sad is that people don't realize this--propositions like these affect A LOT of people, not just a small slice of the population.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • aka Daria's picture
    aka Daria
    4

    i still don't get why people are against it.
    besides religion of course. marriage is a legal contract, it has nothing to do with religion, unless you make it that way [meaning you want to go in debt and do the whole church thing].

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • Taadie's picture
    Taadie
    5

    Adoption? For real? Thats sad for all those kids who could have found a loving home with two loving parents. Thats really sad.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • silversnowflake's picture
    silversnowflake
    6

    Most people don't think about the problems their decisions can cause others. And on another note the questions on the ballots were not exactly super easy for most people to understand. So I wonder how many people thought they were voting for something else when they cast their ballot? Free will should be offered to everyone and it just looks like that free will is being pulled away by those who cannot ever say that they are or were God.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • snowbunny11's picture
    snowbunny11
    7

    It was so surreal to listen to Obama's speech, and then see the poll numbers coming in for Prop 8. As we're making great strides in the country, there are still many civil rights issues. Also, I was kind of shocked when they started talking about what a great win women were having in the senate...up to 17 out of 100 senators are now women...wow, so impressive.

    But don't forget how quickly things change, last poll tax was eliminated in the 60's in Texas, so we'll keep fighting the good fight!

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • Angela123's picture
    Angela123
    8

    what will this mean for the couples who got married earlier this year when it was legal?

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • snowbunny11's picture
    snowbunny11
    9

    silversnowflake- exactly, most people voted on an "ew" factor. Fine, you think gay sex is "ew" and allowing marriage condones that. But your "ew" feeling is getting written into your CONSTITUTION and is making real people, with real lives very very unhappy, and denying them the rights you have. And if you try to justify it on religious means...great, we're now condoning writing fundamentalist religious opinions into the Constitution. This is going to be a major embarrassment 20 years from now.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • Michelin's picture
    Michelin
    11

    Party, I second that. It's such a shame. I hope something turns around in those uncounted votes.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • bluesarahlou's picture
    bluesarahlou
    15

    "It was so surreal to listen to Obama's speech, and then see the poll numbers coming in for Prop 8. As we're making great strides in the country, there are still many civil rights issues."

    I felt the same way snowbunny...it was really bittersweet last night.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • ep24's picture
    ep24
    16

    whether or not you agree w/ gay marriage, it is truly a shame that inequality is being codified in a state consitution.
    it is especially sad that as we celebrate the election of an african-american to the highest office as a symbol of the u.s. being truly a land of opportunity, that notion of equality is not being shared as to all.
    my understanding is that if prop 8 passes, the marriage of individuals who wed in CA will be invalidated. i can't imagine how those couples must be feeling now and what it must be like to have one of the happiest days of your life erased.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • JessNess's picture
    JessNess
    17

    As a California resident, I am so ashamed to live in a state that votes to write discrimination into our constitution. We are suppose to have a separation of church and state but that obviously is not happening. People also complain about government and how they dont want it affecting their lives yet they allow it prohibit a basic right to a large population of people based on sexuality

    This is a complete disgrace. EQUALITY FOR ALL!!!!!

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • pinkprincess1101's picture
    pinkprincess1101
    18

    Who are we to tell two people that are in love regardless of their sexual orientation they cannot get married like a straight couple can and cannot have children, I've know people who were raised by two loving gay parents, I know straight couples that are the worst parents and should not be parents and I know a lot of gay people who deserve and would make great parents.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • CYL's picture
    CYL
    19

    Very sad. It is such a step backwards in terms of human rights and democracy in the U.S.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • CYL's picture
    CYL
    20

    Oops I meant "Very sad. It is such a step backwards in terms of human rights in the U.S." (not the democracy part..because obviously it was voted in)

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • Angela123's picture
    Angela123
    21

    Unreal. How can we take away rights? Especially rights that were just given? I agree CYL, it seems like a complete reversal of progress.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • GirlC's picture
    GirlC
    22

    I'll say it again -
    I think Pierre Trudeau (fifteenth Prime Minister of Canada) said it best when he said -
    "There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation."

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • krystaa's picture
    krystaa
    23

    unbelievable .. i thought we were so passed this. congrats to Obama but we still got so far to go Sad

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • girlA's picture
    girlA
    25

    I think it's such a shame. It's about Human Rights. I am particularly sickened by the FL vote to ban same sex couples adopting. Since when is a LOVING home worse than drifting from foster home to foster home?

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • girlA's picture
    girlA
    26

    wait, it wasn't FL...wasn't it another state? Can't remember...

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • stephley's picture
    stephley
    28

    It's so ridiculous that California is passing a measure that I have yet to hear anyone give a valid reason for. It protects nothing and no one.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • MSucre's picture
    MSucre
    29

    How would the district attorney challenge the measure? A constitutional amendment can only be changed through amendment, not the courts. The courts decide if something is unconstitutional, and if 8 passes, it will be necessarily constitutional. And in terms of the Federal Court, there's no way they'd touch this...

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • darkangeldaria's picture
    darkangeldaria
    31

    This just guts me. There are so many people I love that this affects. It's disheartening and disgusting to me that such an awesome historical moment where races/genders/orientations came together to elect the first African American president that at the same time we take steps backward from true equality. Sad

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • snowbunny11's picture
    snowbunny11
    32

    MSucre- maybe the DA is challenging the very idea of a ballot measure? Or at least this as a ballot measure? I have no idea, and I agree the Federal Courts won't touch this...at least not for a long time. Maybe the legislature will overturn it though, they need 2/3 to write an amendment into the Constitution. I haven't heard anyone mention this. Yeah, propositions seem great for democracy, but maybe Civil Rights shouldn't be up to a popular vote. I don't think any Civil Rights measures have succeeded without the hand of the court or legislature. I mean, Brown v. Board, the populace was completely opposed to that, at least in the South.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • Marni7's picture
    Marni7
    33

    This is HORRIBLE, seriously I am very happy about Obama but it seems like we take a step forward and two back

    c'mon people!!!!!!where's the love?
    Sad

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • bellasugar's picture
    bellasugar
    34

    I'm so upset, disappointed, and angry over this. Writing discrimination into any Constitution is un-American. Or at least it should be.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • northofantastic's picture
    northofantastic
    35

    This is so not fair. I feel horrible for all the couples and individuals this will affect. Sad(

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • ranksubjugation's picture
    ranksubjugation
    38

    Shame on Arkansas for preventing children from being adopted - now even more orphaned kids will go without homes of their own. I bet those same people fight soooo hard against abortion, but then once unwanted kids are born they make it extra hard for them to be cared for. Disgusting.

    And honestly, I am embarrassed to live in a state that would take away anyone's right to marry. We built this country around the concept of a separation of church and state! No one who voted to ban gay marriage deserves to call themselves American, because such a ban directly contradicts the spirit of a free society.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • whob's picture
    whob
    39

    people, this is about so much more than two people getting married. They've made it an issue of civil rights. They have same sex attraction. IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE! What's stopping a man from standing up and saying he's attracted to his sister, or his 6 year old neighbor. You have to understand what you're arguing with. It's not about taking away rights, it's about defending our CONSTITUTION that marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN. I love America and I love the founding fathers and I believe they were inspired men of God.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • amybdk's picture
    amybdk
    40

    Who ARE these people who voted for Prop 8? Where are they lurking?

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • brindey's picture
    brindey
    41

    So......I know for a fact my very republican grandparents in CA voted no on 8. So did my mom and sister (both independent.) So............where are all these people who voted yes? Why are Floridians so against gay marriage? Californians? Obviously they exist in large quantities..........Bueller?

    I feel like every generation looks back and says "wow were we wrong" about something. Racism. Anti-semitism. Burning witches. (seriously, who thought that was a good idea? And if they were witches, wouldn't they save themselves/come back to haunt?) I have a feeling this will be ours.

    So....how do you open the minds and hearts of millions of people you don't know while being respectful and honest?

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • lawchick's picture
    lawchick
    42

    whob, the difference is that it is a CRIME to have sex with a six year old. It is NOT a crime to have sex with someone of the same sex.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • amybdk's picture
    amybdk
    44

    whob - I was not directing that at you specifically. Sorry if it appears that way!

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment
  • snowbunny11's picture
    snowbunny11
    45

    Yep, Whob, it's about civil rights. Look, Whob, just because you need it written into law not to fall in love with your sister, do not muck up our government with your bigotry.

    9 weeks 2 days ago Report Comment